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The Imprecise Use of “Elders” in the New Testament and the Presbyterai of 1 Timothy 5:2

In my previous post, I stated that women elders are mentioned in 1 Timothy and I suggested the likelihood that Priscilla was one of them. In this longer post, I look at verses in 1 Timothy where the Greek word for “elder/s” occurs, and I compare 1 Timothy 5:1-2 with verses found in 1 Peter, in 1 Clement, in Acts, and in Titus. Hopefully, this gives us a better understanding of the context and meaning of “elders” in 1 Timothy 5:1-2. I also look briefly at elders, both men and women, in early Judaism. There are two aims in this article: (1) to show that “elders” was an imprecise term in the first century, and (2) to show that some elders were women.

Presbyteroi in the New Testament

The Greek word used for “elders” in the New Testament is the adjective presbyteroi.[1] This word is used many times in the New Testament for Jewish elders (especially those in Jerusalem), about a dozen times for church elders, and a few times for “older” people. Then there are the elders mentioned in the book of Revelation who I won’t be discussing in this article. In all, presbyteroi occurs sixty-six times in the New Testament and frequently occurs as a collective term in the plural. (The masculine singular is presbyteros.)

In First Timothy, the Greek word for elder/s occurs only in the fifth chapter (1 Tim. 5:1, 2, 17, and 19): a feminine form referring to women, presbyterai, occurs in verse 2; masculine (plural and singular) forms occur in verses 1, 17 and 19.

It’s important to note that masculine Greek words that describe people do not necessarily exclude women. For example, the Greek adjective leproi (“lepers”) is masculine; context tells us whether the lepers mentioned in a given text are men only (e.g., Luke 17:12) or potentially both men and women (e.g., Luke 4:27).[2] On the other hand, feminine words (articles, nouns, adjectives, participles) that describe people, typically refer to women only.

Presbyteroi in 1 Timothy 5:1-2

First Timothy is a letter addressed to Timothy who was ministering in Ephesus, a city on the West Coast of Asia Minor. In the opening verses of chapter 5, Paul tells Timothy:

Don’t rebuke an older man (or elder) (presbyteros), but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers, older women (or women elders) (presbyterai) as mothers, and the younger women as sisters with all purity (1 Tim. 5:1-2).

At first glance, it seems that Paul is simply categorising the congregation into four groups based on age and sex, and that elders as church leaders or ministers is not the sense intended.

Nevertheless, some older translations of 1 Timothy 5:1 use the word “elder.” For example, the KJV has “Rebuke not an elder.” Some older translations of 1 Timothy 5:2 use the words “elder women.” We need to recognise, however, that “elder” is a synonym for “older.” Presbyteroi in its most basic sense simply refers to older adults. This basic sense of old age underlies all occurrences of presbyteroi in the New Testament.

The masculine and feminine words presbyteros and presbyterai in 1 Timothy 5:1-2 appear to be an indication of age rather than ministry. But this may not be the case. The presbyterai in 1 Timothy 5:2 may have been more than just “older women.” This becomes apparent when we realise that the juxtaposing of elders with young adults happens in other passages where elders are mentioned in the context of ministry and leadership. These passages are 1 Peter 5:1-5, verses in 1 Clement, and Acts 2:17-18.

Presbyteroi in 1 Peter 5:1-5

First Peter is a letter addressed to Christians living in various regions of Asia Minor (1 Pet. 1:1). In the first few verses of chapter 5 of this letter, Peter identifies himself as a “fellow-elder” and he gives instructions to presbyteroi, that is, elders.[3] He tells them to act as shepherds, or pastors: to watch over and care for the flock and be examples (1 Pet. 5:1-4; cf. Acts 20:28). (While it is not apparent in some English translations, this passage in the Greek gives no indication that the elders are only men.)

As soon as Peter finishes giving instructions to the elders, he instructs the young adults (1 Pet. 5:5 NKJV). These two groups are not further divided according to gender, and there are no alternative groups addressed here (other than the elders and young people) so women may be included in both groups.

Like 1 Timothy 5:1-2, there are only two age groups addressed in 1 Peter 5:1-5. This is because, at that time, the adult population was predominantly made up of only two generations.[4] Roughly speaking, an older adult was over 35-40 years of age, a young adult was under 35-40.

In 1 Peter 5, presbyteroi are older adults charged with pastoral responsibilities. This may have been the case for the elders in 1 Clement, also.

Presbyteroi in 1 Clement

1 Clement is a work written around 100 AD and has been included in a collection of early Christian writings known as the Apostolic Fathers. It was written by the Roman church to the Corinthian church when the Romans learned that some of the younger Corinthians had deposed the leadership made up of older men. Because of this situation, the juxtaposing of older and younger adults makes good sense.

I’ve included the three verses in 1 Clement where presbyteroi and young adults (neoi) occur side by side, along with brief comments, in footnote 5 below.[5] In two of these verses, elders are mentioned alongside leaders (hegoumenoi). At least some of these elders would have been leaders, but not all. Still, all elders, whether they were church leaders or not, were to be honoured (1 Clem 1:3; 3:3; 21:6; cf. 1 Tim. 5:1-2).

Unlike, 1 Timothy 5:1-2 and 1 Peter 5:1-5, it is reasonably clear that women were not included among these elders in Corinth. Rather, women are mentioned in a distinct group; women are “others” in 1 Clement.

Presbyteroi in Acts 2:17

Presbyteroi are mentioned several times in the book of Acts, including Acts 2:17b. In this verse young and old are also mentioned side by side: “And your young people will see visions and your presbyteroi will dream dreams.” This statement does not specify gender, but it is sandwiched between other statements that do specify gender: “… I will pour out my Spirit on all people, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy” (Acts 2:17a). And: “Even upon both my male servants and upon my female servants, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy (Acts 2:18). The structure of the passage indicates that presbyteroi in verse 17 include women.

Acts 2:17-18 is an “inclusive” passage. Unlike other passages that make a distinction between elders and young adults, Acts 2:17b minimises a distinction based on age difference (cf. 1 Tim. 4:12). And Acts 2:17-18 makes no distinction on the basis of sex. Rather, these verses, and others in the New Testament, show that the Holy Spirit empowers men and women, young and old, to minister, to prophecy, to instruct, and to lead (e.g., 1 Cor. 12:11; 14:26 CSB; Col. 3:16 CSB). Every New Testament verse about ministry gifts and abilities is gender-inclusive.[6]

Elders have the advantage of experience and maturity. It is this maturity that makes some elders suitable to lead congregations. A person’s gender, however, neither qualifies nor disqualifies someone to minister and lead in the body of Christ.

Presbyteroi in 1 Timothy 5:17-19 and Titus 1:5

We now come back to 1 Timothy 5. After mentioning male and female presbyteroi in the opening verses of chapter 5, Paul refers to presbyteroi again in verses 17 and 19.

Elders (presbyteroi) who lead (proistēmi) well should be paid (timē) double, especially those who work with public speaking and teaching…. Don’t accept an accusation made against an elder (presbyteros) unless it is confirmed by two or three witnesses. 1 Timothy 5:17, 19 CEB (Greek words added.)

The elders in verse 17 are specifically identified as those who lead and care for congregations.[7] This indicates that not all elders were leaders (or, that not all elders lead well) and that only some were speakers and teachers. Furthermore, these elders who lead and care well are worthy of being paid well. I take the Greek word timē to refer to “price” (i.e. financial support) rather than “honour” (cf. the related verb in 1 Tim. 5:3 in the context of support for widows).  Elsewhere, Paul cautions about assigning honour to people who already have it (cf. 1 Cor. 12: 21-25).

The presbyteroi in 5:17-19 are a subset of those mentioned previously in 5:1-2. And verse 19 is reminiscent of 5:1-2 in that elders should be treated well. These earlier verses may refer to all older members of the church at Ephesus and not just elders who lead.[8]

As well as occurring four times in 1 Timothy 5, presbyteroi occurs once in Titus, in Titus 1:5. These elders of the church in Crete were undoubtedly appointed leaders (Tit. 1:5; cf. Acts 14:23).[9] The Greek text of the moral qualifications for these elders does not indicate that they must be men. Furthermore, nowhere in the Greek New Testament is there a verse that states elders must only be men.

The word presbyteroi does not occur at all in any of the earlier and undisputed letters of Paul, not once. It was not a word the apostle usually used for church leaders or ministers. Moreover, in none of the Pauline letters is a specific or named individual called an elder. As I stated in the previous article, the ministry terms Paul used most often were coworker, minister/deacon (diakonos), apostle/missionary (apostolos), and labourer, descriptions he used for both his male and female ministry colleagues. These terms denote function rather than an official position or an ecclesial hierarchy.

Almost all the first converts to Christianity were Jews or Jewish proselytes who belonged to synagogues. And some synagogues practices carried over into church life. Perhaps Paul, with his inclusive views on ministry and his aversion to Judaisers, avoided the word presbyteroi because of the way it was used in Judaism.

Presbyteroi in Early Judaism

In the New Testament, presbyteroi is an imprecise term. It is believed the church adopted it from Judaism, but in ancient Judaism it was also an imprecise term with a combined sense of both seniority and leadership.

R. Alistair Campbell writes,

Jewish writers of the Second Temple period (including New Testament writers when they refer to the Jewish leaders) display a notable lack of precision in the use of the term ‘elders’, usually linking it with other terms [such as chief priests and scribes (e.g., Mark 14:53)] to reinforce the impression that the whole leadership was involved. Elders, we may say, are those who have presbeion [seniority], rather than the holders of an office of eldership at either national or local level.[10]

And,

It is possible to say that while [Jewish] congregations gave precedence to persons of seniority, and used the term ‘the elders’ to refer to them, there does not seem to have been an office of elder as such to which a person might be appointed and with clearly defined functions…. An elder did not hold an office in the way that the archisynagōgos [ruler of the synagogue] did.[11]

Jewish elders were people with seniority, and the Jewish elders mentioned in the Gospels and in some passages in Acts, were all men. Most of the church elders mentioned in Acts, particularly those in Jerusalem, would have been all men too.

. . . the formation of a body of [church] elders first after the synagogue model, then probably in connection with the decree [of Acts 15] with the same claim as the Sanhedrin, belongs only to the period of increasing Judaising of the primitive community under James, after the departure of Peter. There is a very clear picture of [the council of elders in Jerusalem] in Acts 21:17-26.[12]

The Jewish elders and the church elders based in Jerusalem were men.[13] (It is also likely that James had male elders in mind when he mentioned them in James 5:14.) However, outside of Jerusalem things were different, especially in parts of Asia Minor.

Presbyterai (Women Elders) in Early Judaism

Ancient inscriptions have survived that mention Jewish women in prominent roles in synagogues. Presently, seven epitaphs of women elders and four epitaphs of women synagogue leaders have been discovered. Several more epitaphs exist of Jewish women with other leadership titles.[14] One woman, Sophia of Gortyn, whose inscription was found in Crete, was both an elder (presbytera) and a leader of a synagogue (archisynagōgissa).[15]

These inscriptions are sometimes interpreted as referring to wives of elders or of synagogue leaders, that is, they are honorary rather than functional titles. Paul Trebilco and others, however, argue that many of the twenty-one Jewish women commemorated in the various inscriptions were actual elders and leaders of synagogues.

Trebilco has written about the prominence of women in the synagogues of Asia Minor and notes that they had “a significant degree of involvement and leadership in synagogue life…”[16]  (As well as inscriptions which mention women leaders, inscriptions reveal that about 36 per cent of donations to synagogue buildings were made by wealthy female patrons.)[17] Trebilco further notes that the phenomenon of female leadership “is most noticeable on the West Coast, especially in Caria and Ionia . . . . In these two regions . . .  women’s leadership in the city was the most noticeable and the most widespread.”[18]

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Map showing the regions of Ionia (and Ephesus) and Caria on the West Coast of Asia Minor.

In parts of the Roman world, such as Asia Minor, Jewish and Christian women were prominent in their synagogues and churches, especially in the regions of Ionia and Caria in Asia Minor. The synagogues and churches of Ephesus and Smyrna were located in Ionia.[19] And we know that women, such as Priscilla, were ministering in these churches.[20] (A discussion on the ministries of Alke and Gavia of Smyrna is here.)

1 Timothy 4:14 tells us that the presbyterion (“council, or group, of elders”) had laid hands on young Timothy. Does this refer to the elders in Jerusalem? Or does it refer to the elders in the Ephesian church, those mentioned in 1 Timothy 5? Were Priscilla and Aquila two of the elders who had laid hands on Timothy?

Since there seemed to have been no problem with Priscilla and Aquila correcting the teacher Apollos when he was in Ephesus (surely a role of elders), and since Priscilla and Aquila were house church leaders in Ephesus, I see no reason why Priscilla, or women like Priscilla, should be excluded from the group of elders in the Ephesian church. The fact remains, however, that we do not know the names of any elders in the New Testament church apart from Peter and John.[21]

Conclusion

This article and the preceding one were inspired by questions and statements regarding elders. Behind these questions and statements are the ideas that women were not elders in New Testament times and so they shouldn’t be elders in churches today, even though church life today is vastly different to that of the first century.

The fact is that the feminine of presbyteroi (“elders”) does occur in the New Testament, and it occurs in other ancient Jewish and Christian writings and inscriptions where it refers to woman elders.

Using New Testament elders as a precedent for either allowing or disallowing women to be elders today is fraught with difficulties, as “in the Jewish and Christian sphere it is often hard to distinguish between the designation of age and the title of an office,”[22] assuming there were even church offices before the end of the first century.[23] While presbyteroi (“elders”) was a general and “vague” term in the first century,[24] I maintain that there were presbyterai (“women elders”) in New Testament churches. 1 Timothy 5:2 tells us this was the case.


Footnotes

[1] Presbyteroi (presbyteros is the nominative singular form) is a comparative adjective; it literally refers to people who are old-er. While presbyteroi is technically an adjective, it often functions as a substantive in the New Testament, that is, it functions as a noun.

[2] Similarly, the noun adelphoi is masculine but in New Testament verses that refer to both men and women adelphoi is rendered “brothers and sisters” in modern translations.

[3] A definite article is not used, in the Greek, with presbyteroi in 1 Peter 5:1 or 5:5. So a defined group of official elders may not be the case here. A definite article is also not used with the comparative adjective neōteroi (“younger adults”) in 1 Peter 5:5.
Definite articles are used with every occurrence of presbyteroi in 1 Clement 1:3; 3:3; 21:6: 44:5; 54:2; 57:1. However, neoi also occurs with a definite article in 3:3 and 21:6. Nevertheless, context unambiguously shows that “the elders” mentioned in 1 Clement 44:5: 54:2 and 57:1 are appointed office bearers, even if those, or some of those, in previous chapters are not.
Both presbyteroi and neaniskoi in Acts 2:17 occur with a definite article.
Definite articles are not used with presbyteros and presbyterai in 1 Timothy 5:1-2 and 5:19, but presbyteroi (“the elders”) in 5:17 does have a definite article. The comparative adjectives translated as “younger men” and “younger women” in 1 Timothy 5:1-2 likewise occur without a definite article.

[4] See John M. G. Barclay, “There Is Neither Old nor Young? Early Christianity and Ancient Ideologies of Age,” New Testament Studies 53.2 (2007), 225-241.

[5] 1 Clement 1:3: “For you did everything without partiality . . . submitting yourselves to your leaders (hegoumenoi) and giving to the presbyteroi among you the honour due to them. You instructed the young people to think temperate and proper thoughts . . .” The presbyteroi may refer to leaders and not just older people here. Women (or wives) are not included among the presbyteroi as they are mentioned next in 1 Clement 1:3 without reference to age.
1 Clement 3:3: “So people were stirred up: those without honour against the honoured, those of no repute against the highly reputed, the foolish against the wise, the young against the presbyteroi.” By implication, the presbyteroi are the honoured, the highly reputed and the wise.
1 Clement 21:6: “Let us respect our leaders (hegoumenoi); let us honour the presbyteroi; let us instruct the young . . .” As in 1 Clement 1:3, women, and then children, are mentioned next, and are not included among the presbyteroi. Frederick Danker suggests a double meaning of leader and older adult in these three verses from 1 Clement, but that the concept of being old is the dominant meaning in 1 Clement 3:3 and 21:6. Walter Bauer, “πρεσβύτερος, α, ον”, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, ed. Frederick W. Danker. 3rd edition (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000), 862.
The English translations of 1 Clement 1:6; 3:3; and 21:6 are adapted from Michael Holmes’ translation in The Apostolic Father: Greek Texts and English Translations (Grand Rapids: Baker Academics, 2007)

[6] Every New Testament verse that speaks of spiritual gifts, manifestations, or ministries is completely free of any gender bias in the Greek. (See Acts 2:17-18; Rom. 12:6-8; 1 Cor. 12:7-11 & 27-28; 1 Cor. 14:26-33; Eph. 4:11-12; Heb. 2:4; 1 Pet. 4:9-11).

[7] Some translations have “rule” instead of “lead.” The Greek participle here is from the verb proistēmi, a word that occurs eight times in the New Testament. Proistēmi in the New Testament “seems to have the sense a. ‘to lead’ but the context shows in each case that one must also take into account sense b. ‘to take care of’. This is explained by the fact that caring was an obligation of leading members of the infant Church.”
Bo Reike, “Proistēmi ”, Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Vol. 6, ed. Gerhard Friedrich, transl. and ed. Geoffrey Bromiley (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1968), 701-703, 701.
Phoebe of Cenchrea is referred to with the cognate noun of proistēmi in Romans 16:2: she was a patron and protector of many in the church, including Paul.

[8] The letters of 1 Clement and 1 Timothy reveal a similar tension. In 1 Clement there is hubris among the young. In 1 Timothy this quarrelsome arrogance is evident among the rich.

[9] Also in Titus are words that some suggest refer to official church elders (Tit. 2:2 & 3). These words, the plural of the nouns presbytēs (masculine) (cf. Luke 1:18: Philem. 1:9) and presbytis (feminine). These words are, however, slightly different from the comparative adjective presbyteroi. The actual forms in Titus 2:2-3 are: presbytas (accusative masculine plural) meaning “old/senior men,” and presbytidas (accusative feminine plural) meaning “old/senior women.”
These words are not the more usual terms used for church elders in the first century. Furthermore, the training that the old women were to give to the young wives of Crete was typical of the advice Greco-Roman women gave to younger women, whether Christian or pagan. There is nothing especially “Christian,” theological, or doctrinal in the instructions in Titus 2:4-5. (Compare Titus 2:4-5 with, for example, the letters of Theano II to three young women.) However, this instruction to young women was a countermeasure to Jewish myths and man-made rules that encouraged asceticism (Tit. 1:14-15). (More about Titus 2:4-5 and women’s roles, here.)
The fact that Paul used less technical Greek words for male and female “old people” in Titus 2:2-3 makes his use of male and female “elders” more marked in 1 Timothy 5:1-2. Unfortunately, this difference in language is unmarked in most English translations of these verses.

[10] R. Alistair Campbell, The Elders: Seniority within Earliest Christianity (London: T&T Clark 1994, 2004), 238. (A five-page summary of Campbell’s thesis on elders was published in The Tyndale Bulletin 44.1 (1993): 183-187, here.)

[11] Campbell, The Elders, 238-239.

[12] Gunther Bornkamm, “Presbys, Presbyteros … Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Vol. 6, ed. Gerhard Friedrich, transl. and ed. Geoffrey Bromiley (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1968), 663.

[13] The council of church elders in Jerusalem only lasted a generation. It ceased to exist when Jerusalem fell to the Romans in 70 AD, if not before.

[14] Note that these inscriptions date from around the second century BC to the sixth century AD. Sophia of Gortyn’s inscription dates to the fifth century AD.

[15] The information in this paragraph was sourced from Ross Shepard Kraemer, Women’s Religions in the Greco-Roman World: A Sourcebook (New York: Oxford University Press, 2004), 251-255.

[16] Paul Trebilco, Jewish Communities in Asia Minor (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1991, 2006), 111. See especially chapter 5, “The Prominence of Women in Asia Minor”, 104-125.

[17] Trebilco, Jewish Communities, 112.

[18] Trebilco, Jewish Communities, 124-125.

[19] A second-century CE inscription from Smyrna mentions a woman named Rufina who was synagogue ruler. The inscription reads: “Rufina, a Jewess synagogue ruler [archisynagōgos], built this tomb for her freed slaves and the slaves raised in her household. No one else has a right to bury anyone here.” (CII 741; IGR IV. 1452)
See Bernadette J. Brooten, Women Leaders in the Ancient Synagogue: Inscriptional Evidence and Background. Brown Judaic Studies, 36. (Chico, CA: Scholars Press, 1982).

[20] The city of Philadelphia is also located in Ionia. A famous Christian prophetess named Ammia lived in Philadelphia (circa 100 AD) and is mentioned in the Church History of Eusebius (5.17.3)

[21] It is disputed that the author of 2 and 3 John was an official elder. For example, Gunther Bornkamm asserts, “the title presbyteros in 2 John 1 and 3 John 1 can be integrated into neither an episcopal nor presbyterian form of government. The elder … works outside any ecclesiastical constitution.” “presbys, presbyteros …” (TDNT, Vol. 6), 671.
In his Church History 3.39.1-7, Eusebius mentions John the elder, as well as the names of some of the Twelve, and records that Papias seems to have used the word presbyteroi for Christians who were immediate followers of Jesus and for “those early Christian leaders who had known the immediate followers of Jesus—leaders of the second Christian generation.” F.F. Bruce, Men and Movements in the Primitive Church (Exeter: Paternoster Press, 1979), 134. Presbyteroi may not mean that these sought-after Christians held the office of elder in local churches.

[22] Gunther Bornkamm, “presbys, presbyteros …”, (TDNT, Abridged), 932.

[23] Ignatius presumes that the churches he writes to use a hierarchical governmental structure, with one bishop (episkopos) supported by at least two elders (presbyteroi) and at least one deacon. This tiered structure, however, is not apparent in the second-century church in Corinth (as per 1 Clement and the Apocryphal Corinthian Correspondence) or in the church at Smyrna (as per Polycarp’s letter to the Philippians). Polycarp, leader of the church at Smyrna, identifies himself as being among the elders, and mentions elders and deacons in the church at Philippi, but not bishops (episkopoi) (contra. Phil. 1:1).

[24] G. W. H. Lampe states that early Christian writers “most often used presbyteros in a vague sense” and that the word “may be applied to an apostle, a member of the college of episkopoi, a ‘monarchical’ bishop, a teacher, an early Christian witness to tradition, or any respected member of the Church; it is difficult to distinguish between this general use of presbyteros and its more technical use to denote a member of a particular ministerial order …” A Patristic Greek Lexicon (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1961, 1968), 1129-1130.

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18 thoughts on “Were there women elders in New Testament churches? (Part 2)

  1. Again, and as always, just a marvelous post! PTL

    1. Thanks, Ray.

    2. I f you choose to exclude I TIMOTHY THREE your post contains YOUR TRUTH, if you include it, it contains God’s biblical truth.
      The woman cannot be THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE, can she? I TIMOTHY 3. She cannot be a man/Elder that rules his family well, right? Are you twisting scripture to suit your FEMINIST THEOLOGY, rather than treating God’s word with reverence and inerrancy it deserves?
      The Holy Spirit also led the Apostle to declare: Let the women be silent in church. If a woman wants to know more about scripture, she should ask her husband.
      I believe any Elder is unable to perform the work of an Elder and remain silent.
      The New Testament does include women as Church Deaconess.

      1. Ranny, As the introduction and subtitles clearly indicate, this article is on the Greek word for presbyteros (“elder”). Presbyteros does not occur in any form in 1 Timothy 3.

        My articles on 1 Timothy 3 are here: https://margmowczko.com/category/1-timothy-3/

        I’m very familiar with 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. Paul, in fact, silences three groups of people in 1 Corinthians 14:26-40, not just women who wanted to learn but needed to keep their questions for home.

        Paul was silencing unruly and unedifying speech in 1 Corinthians 14:26-40, while at the same time encouraging orderly and edifying ministry. And he did not tell the Corinthian women who were praying and prophesying to be silent, but to have appropriate hairstyles or head coverings while they were praying and prophesying (1 Cor. 11:5).

        My articles on 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 are here: https://margmowczko.com/category/1-corinthians-1434-35/

  2. This is interesting, but really what is the fuss about? In underground churches today / right now women are in leadership roles mainly because the males have been arrested and sent to prison camps (Yes, women get arrested too). Anyway, both the men and women of the underground church teach, memorize scripture, worship together,and travel into hostile areas to feed the flock the gospel get arrested/ killed, etc. . .The underground church in North Korea is just one good example of men and women, young and old work together in unity to teach and preserve the gospel.

    1. I completely agree. What is the fuss?

      I’m annoyed and dismayed when people get caught up with words in efforts to limit women. But this is what frequently happens. 

      These two posts on women elders were written in response to earnest and presumably well-meaning Christians who unequivocally state that women can’t be elders, etc. Even though there’s no evidence for such a statement.

      Right from the very beginning of Christianity women have been arrested, imprisoned, and even tortured and killed for their faith (e.g., Acts 8:3; Rom. 16:6). And it still happens today, all the time. Heaven help them!

      Thanks for your comment, Alison. We all need to work together and use our collective gifts for the sake of the gospel, with no artificially imposed limits.

  3. Dear Marg,
    thank you so much for your great articles, I really enjoy reading them. I have a question concerning the verse following Titus 1,5 where it says “if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife,…” I know many people who say this implies that the elders mentioned before have to be men, because it talks about husbands. What do you think about that?
    Best regards, Christina

    1. Hi Christina,

      The Greek phrase literally translated as “one-woman-man” or “one-man-woman” was a common idiom and meant “married only once”. The NRSV accurately conveys this meaning in 1 Timothy 3:2, 12; 5:9; and Titus 1:5.

      I’ve written about this idiom in this article: https://margmowczko.com/equality-and-gender-issues/pauls-qualifications-for-church-leaders/. Please look at endnotes 3 and 6 too.

      It’s use in Titus 1:5 (and 1 Tim. 3:2) does not necessarily exclude women. Even some top complementarian scholars, Douglas Moo and Thomas Schreiner, acknowledge this.

  4. Thanks so much – your blog is a rich source of well-researched and empowering information. May we all serve to the best of our abilities and giftings regardless of our gender, ethnicity, age or social status.

    1. Thanks, Miriam. And, amen!

  5. Hi Marg,
    I love the depth you have worked things through, and the ‘tone’ of your writing and engagement with others. I’ve enjoyed and learned much by reading some of your posts. Thankyou!

    If you have time, I am wondering what you make of Acts 20:30 in the context of this discussion. Ought it be used to suggest that the pattern of eldership as an appointed office (Acts 14:23, Titus 1) in the (very early) church, was male?

    1. Hi Chris,

      There is no doubt that most church leaders in very early churches were male, especially in Jerusalem and Antioch. But this changes as we go north and west. (Sadly, we don’t have information for churches east and south of Jerusalem.) Women were functioning as leaders in prominent ministries in the churches in Philippi, Corinth, and Rome, etc.

      There was not one pattern of ministry or one model for leadership in first-century churches. And Paul was flexible and fluid with his use of ministry terminology. He often uses several terms to describe a minister (e.g., Timothy, Epaphroditus, Phoebe). But he never refers to a named Christian as an elder or as an overseer.

      The distance between Miletus and Ephesus is about 80 kms. Perhaps only fit, male elders made the journey. But we can’t rule out that there were no women present just because Paul specifies that men will arise from the group of elders and lead people astray.

      In fact, the most prominent heretics in Ephesus were men: Hymenaeus, Philetus, Alexander, and Cerinthus. And some of them seemed to have been locals.

      This article provides a brief overview of church life in the first century: https://margmowczko.com/the-first-century-church-and-the-ministry-of-women/

      And this article looks at the role of overseers: https://margmowczko.com/manage-household-1-timothy-34/

  6. I really enjoy this article! The female elders in 1 Timothy 5:1-2 are interesting. I do have a question, though. I know in 1 Clement 44, Clement implies that the apostles only appointed men as bishops and deacons. If there were some female elders, or even female deacons, why do you think Clement would say the apostles appointed only men? I also know that Didache 15:1 says something similar, and that Ignatius-who is said to have known the apostle John- and others imply that only men were bishops and deacons. If there were some women bishops or deacons, why do you think it was so quickly lost in the early church after the New Testament period?

    1. Hi Taylor,

      I am as certain as I can be that Ignatius, and perhaps the author of 1 Clement also, would have been totally against women as elders (presbyters) and deacons, let alone women being overseers (bishops). The ministry terminology in the Didache is a bit different and broader, but it wouldn’t surprise me if only men are in view. The authors and communities behind these writings may have only known men as recognised and official leaders.

      On the other hand, I am also fairly certain that there were women ministers in the church at Smyrna even if Ignatius avoids using “official” ministry terms, though he does use “widows/virgins” in a somewhat official sense. And we know there were respected female prophets in several second-century several churches (e.g., Ammia of Philadelphia). Women could also be patrons and be influential, but without official titles. I suspect that in the second century, there were smaller or remote communities and house churches that were looked after by women, but they are not noticed or mentioned by Ignatius, etc.

      I think there are three reasons women were mostly squeezed out of official leadership ministries by the end of the first century.

      1. As churches grew larger, more organisation was required. Because society was patriarchal, people tended to look to men, and not women, for leadership. So it became the norm that men became the regional leaders (bishops) as well as leaders of local churches. Also, most house church hosts and leaders had always been male, as 5 out of every 6 Roman households had a man as the senior figure or householder.

      2. Paul welcomed charismatic speech and the spontaneous participation of men and women in church gatherings. There was also an excited expectation that Jesus would soon return. But this excitement and the gifts of the spirit waned, and church meetings became more settled and formal. It seems “ordinary” men and women did not have the same opportunities to contribute, minister, or lead in these more formal meetings that were led by official ministers.

      3. Before the Gospels and Acts were written, the stories and teachings of Jesus were retold orally. Women, as well as men, who had been witnesses of Jesus’ ministry, Pentecost, the early days of the church, and the ministries of Peter, John, and Paul could tell their stories. But once these stories were written down, women’s voices were no longer needed.

  7. I agree with you that women were presbyters or elders in the early church because of the apostle Junia and because of the record of the local council of Laodicea prohibiting the ordination of female presbyters. However, I at the moment can’t see a convincing case for believing that they were mentioned in 1 Timothy 5:1-2.
    In the SBLG the words for the possible female presbyters have the same symbol structure but they have different little symbols above the main symbols compared with the presbyters mentioned in 1 Timothy 5:17. What are those called? They are the opposite of subscripts because they’re on top of the letter. but still, it’s close is there a way to no which interpretation is correct based on context?

    1. Hi Dana, Junia was a missionary. There’s no evidence she was a presbyter of a local church.

      Do you mean acute accents?
      For comparison:
      The nominative plural masculine for “elders/ presbyters” is πρεσβύτεροι. This is the form in 1 Timothy 5:17.
      The form in 1 Timothy 5:1 is πρεσβυτέρῳ (dative singular masculine).

      The nominative plural feminine form of this same word is πρεσβύτεραι.
      The form in 1 Timothy 5:2 is πρεσβυτέρας (accusative plural feminine).

      These are all forms of the one word, and the accents do alter the meaning in the slightest. Compare the different forms found in the New Testament, which includes πρεσβυτέρας, here: https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4245.htm

      The context of 1 Timothy 5:1-2 is not church leadership, but this doesn’t mean the elders mentioned in these two verses, or at least some of them, weren’t church leaders of some kind.

      1. I agree that the vast majority of the time this word means presbyter, however this word is also used to refer to people who are comparatively older than the other subject under discussion. For example, the older son in the Parable of the Prodigal Son. How apart from context and the study of the other words in the sentence in question are we to know whether Paul means men and women who are older than Timothy or male and female presbyters?
        Moreover, I agree with you that this word is highly associated with leadership. Even in Titus 2:1-5 there are elders, and I am sure you know better than me the renderings of their Greek designations. They are called by a different but related word. These people are definitely ministerial leaders they may even be considered on par with the overseers/bishops. However, they are clearly not presbyters.
        Paul repeats the same pattern that you mentioned above in Titus 2 when he addresses the elders (not presbyters) first and then the younger Christians who are also are charged with responsibility for the mission of Christ.

        1. “How apart from context and the study of the other words in the sentence in question are we to know whether Paul means men and women who are older than Timothy or male and female presbyters?”

          Context is the only way to distinguish if the elders are (1) simply older people, (2) older people with some standing in the community, or (3) official leaders of some kind. However, the context isn’t clear in some verses in 1 Timothy and Titus. “Official leaders” with the sense “presbyters” later took on, may not be the sense in any of the occurrences of the word presbyteros in the Pastorals.

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